Saturday, February 26, 2022

Copernicus Did Not Cite Esotericism

    There is an argument that "the phenomenon" is ambiguous and fleeting. The elusive apparitions act with intent and even a sense of humor, or so say many of those who believe they have met the UFOs, Bigfoot, and similar oddities up close and personal.

My friend tells me if there are such goings ons, the instigator simply refuses to be corralled. They say it's like a soap bubble drifting on the breeze, colorful and attracting our interest, yet disintegrating under the very grasp which tries to contain it. 

The sights and events often interpreted to be related to UFOs and similar reported phenomena, some suggest, must surely all be from the same mold. This would account for its elusive nature and an overwhelming lack of confirmed physical evidence, even as cost effective technologies have advanced which would make the collection of hitherto absent evidence all the more feasible.   

Such theories of an intelligence behind an overarching and elusive "phenomenon" teeter on the edge of subjectively assigning definitive characteristics to apparitions not yet shown to so much as exist, at least not "exist" in more commonly accepted definitions of the word. Some would argue therein lies the rub, and perhaps they are correct. Maybe further knowledge of UFOs and things that go bump in the night indeed lies in the realms of the esoteric and traditions passed down among indigenous populations. 

If that is the case, however, they must also take responsibility for understanding they cannot expect those who prioritize evidence-based research to embrace their assertions on faith alone. They must effectively demonstrate a specific difference between their chosen endeavors and searching the snow on the television screen for patterns of intelligence. If there is a difference, it should be demonstrable.

If knowledge of the "phenomenon," "other," "visitors," or whatever labels one chooses to project upon it, is more likely found in monasteries than science labs, the scientist trying to simultaneously sell both ideas to the public - and funders - must come to terms with the dilemma. At the least, it is unreasonable to take the role of a persecuted Copernicus, suggesting those who argue alternative views will not accept your evidence, when your argument advantageously relies upon the notion your white whale leaves no evidence when convenient. It can't be both.

10 comments:

  1. What do you have in mind by 'the esoteric'?

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    1. Thanks for the clarification. I still remain mystified about exactly who you have in mind in this post: who, for example, is a "scientist trying to simultaneously sell both ideas to the public - and funders"?

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    2. Everyone from Team Bigelow to Garry Nolan and Jacques Vallee. It's a long list and has been occurring for literally decades. I'm equally mystified anyone following the UFO scene would be unaware.

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  3. “..If that is the case, however, they must also take responsibility for understanding they cannot expect those who prioritize evidence-based research to embrace their assertions on faith alone…”

    I understand that the (hardcore sceptics) view is a faith based consensus driven philosophical position…
    The problem is, those that claim to “prioritize evidence-based research” will not accept any form of secondary evidence(in regards to fringe claims)..which to borrow your vernacular..is really "convenient".
    Videos/photos/radar etc are not accepted under any conditions..

    "..They must effectively demonstrate a specific difference between their chosen endeavors and searching the snow on the television screen for patterns of intelligence. If there is a difference, it should be demonstrable..."

    Thats the problem..the noise ratio to signal is so huge in these fields thats its scary.
    Most people that I am aware of interested in the ufos for instance are stuck in the noise..crashed saucers..ET abductions..contactee claims..etc..
    Is their a difference to the noise and the signal?
    Two quick examples..
    Yes.
    1/Noise=Roswell
    2/Signal=Hessdalen/Project Identification(Rutledge)

    "...is more likely found in monasteries than science labs.."

    False Dilemma.
    It can both a combination of both..it depends..


    "...when your argument advantageously relies upon the notion your white whale leaves no evidence when convenient. It can't be both.."

    "advantageously relies"?...a tad cynical.
    It can be both..thats the problem..
    The majority of strange reports overt the last 1000 years..leave no "evidence".
    Or..shall we split hairs on what is the definition of "evidence" when We are dealing with fringe fields/fringe events?..
    And some "white whale"? events(when inconvenient???) do leave radar/video/stills(see examples above)
    My own personal experiences(black swan events?) due to speed of appearance/duration/distance etc..left no evidence..

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    1. If helpful to know, mike, my position is the evidence should support the claim, and the more bold the claim, the more conclusive the evidence should be. I particularly feel that's the case among academics and scientists who assert, often falsely, to respect and adhere to the scientific process.

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  4. Yes. Esotericists try to have it both ways. Really, this UFO sub-culture (the esoteric UFOlogists) hold much in common with those researchers of the 'hard problem of consciousness' who attempt to weave in esoteric concepts. I personally have no issue with making a somewhat 'incredible' hypothesis.. so even if it seems unfalsifiable... modern theoretical physics is in the same boat..
    But then yes, play it straight.. keep plugging away on falsifying it.. don't play any victim cards, or you are just promoting a personal religous belief, and not doing science at all..
    -K

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  5. Ufology has, in most quarters, become indistinguishable from religion in that the believers in the ETH insist that claims are indistinguishable from testable evidence and that their beliefs are fact.

    I have no problem with people who state their beliefs as beliefs (and some esoteric ufologists do that) but when someone makes a claim of fact I expect it to be accompanied by testable evidence subjected to the scientific method that earns their hypothesis the label "fact."

    (Note: I am not the same "Anonymous" who posted above).

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  6. There are proposals to understand them as a natural phenomenon linked to ball lightning like the model called "electroballs": https://electroballpage.wordpress.com/

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    1. Natural phenomena is used as a means of trying to sound less crazy.It has no explanatory power.Linked to ball lightning is an analogy as well."electroballs"..?..oh dear..

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