Thursday, July 1, 2021

Office of Secretary of Defense: DIA Ran AATIP Until It Ended in 2012

    The AATIP was managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency from 2008 until it ended in 2012, a Government Information Specialist from the Office of the Secretary of Defense stated in an email received Wednesday. The statement comes on the heels of a FOIA final response indicating a search conducted by the DIA found no correspondence, such as emails or memos, exchanged between Luis Elizondo and the DIA pertaining to the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. The message also comes in the wake of a May 24 email in which Pentagon Spokesperson Sue Gough stated DIA managed AATIP and Elizondo was not assigned to DIA. 

Email received Wednesday, June 30, stemming from FOIA request
for OUSDI records pertaining to AATIP and AAWSAP 

Elizondo and his associates have repeatedly claimed he directed the AATIP, and have specifically stated his directorship began in 2010 from the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, or OUSDI. Pentagon spokespersons have repeatedly stated Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities for AATIP while assigned to the OUSDI.

The Wednesday email came as the result of a FOIA request seeking documents on the AATIP and AAWSAP, or Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Applications Program. The request for records on the apparent Pentagon UFO projects was submitted to the Office of the Secretary of Defense/Joint Staff (OSD/JS) with the intention of initiating a search for potentially responsive files located in the OUSDI. 

A final response to the request was received June 24 attached to an email from Government Information Specialist Raymond Hartwick of the OSD/JS FOIA Requester Service Center. The response stated the request had been misdirected and should be sent to the DIA.

A reply to the email was sent, informing Mr. Hartwick of an understanding there are allegations the AATIP was transferred into the OUSDI from the DIA. He was therefore asked if the request was submitted to the proper office that would respond to FOIA requests for the OUSDI, and, if not, would he please advise as to where to submit the request to the OUSDI. 

Having not heard back from Mr. Hartwick by Tuesday morning, he was telephoned. A voice mail message was left, reiterating a desire to submit the request to the OUSDI. Wednesday afternoon he emailed, assuring the expressed questions had not been forgotten.

"I am still working with my components to provide you with accurate answers," he added in the email.  

Later Wednesday afternoon another email, pictured above, was received. The message did not address the FOIA submission process for the OUSDI and again advised to direct the request to the DIA. Mr. Hartwick further stated, "The AATIP was managed by DIA from 2008 until it ended in 2012."  


  1. Foiled by FOIA!

    Poor Lue thought this was his shot at the brass ring.

    And he woulda reached it if not for you meddling bloggers!!

    1. Score one for the Mystery Machine Crew! Jack, thank you for your ongoing efforts. "So shines a good deed, in a weary world."

  2. Thanks for your ongoing interest and support, guys. Much appreciated.

    I guess we'll see how this DOD IG situation plays out, but there sure are a lot of discrepancies in the Elizondo narrative. It gets pretty tough to envision a scenario in which the scope and legitimacy of the AATIP have not been misrepresented to some extent in a few ways or other.

  3. John Greenwald states on YT May 30th 2021 that he asked for ‘everything’ from the DoD concerning Elizondo and they replied that the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and specifically OUSDI ( because at that time AATIP hadn’t been ‘revealed’ = in Oct 2017), did not have any records :
    “ After thorough searches of the electronic records and files of OUSDI, no records of the kind you describe could be identified.”

    Greenwald writes in his video description :

    “After years of seeking a paper trail to either prove or disprove his story, The Black Vault made a discovery that has turned the entire saga upside down.

    According to the Pentagon, they destroyed Elizondo’s e-mail box. The importance of this, is that box resides on a short list of evidence that could help solve the mystery of what really happened during Elizondo’s days working within the classified intelligence world.

    The biggest question when it was all over, was whether or not the DOD had proper authorization to destroy the data. And when asked, they were unable to prove it after nearly two months of being asked .”

    So then - non existent or destroyed ?

    1. Wow, so instead of classifying it under "National Security" they choose to destroy it? Images of Richard Helms are running through my head of when he ordered boxes of MKUltra files to be destroyed. I can just picture somebody going through their Exchange (or whatever they use) server going homina, homina, homina...

  4. Why do you refuse to respond to criticism?