Saturday, September 17, 2011

Leah Haley on Alien Abduction: “It Doesn't Happen”

Pensacola Beach, Florida, a short distance
from massive Eglin Air Force Base.
Former self-described alien abductee Leah Haley has revised her perspectives about her experiences of high strangeness to conclude that no alien abductions ever took place in her life. She now completely attributes her remarkable perceptions to having been an involuntary research subject. Commenting on literal alien abduction from her home in Pensacola, Florida, Haley stated, “It doesn't happen.”

Haley attracted widespread attention within the UFO community in 1993 with the publication of her book, Lost Was the Key, in which she described her extraordinary experiences consisting of fragmented memories of UFOs and apparent non-human beings. She became a well known speaker and was commonly sought for interviews. Ten years later she published Unlocking Alien Closets: Abductions, Mind Control and Spirituality, further documenting her descent into an increasingly complex web of deceit, disinformation and character assassination within ufology. Sales of her books climbed well into the thousands although word of mouth was virtually the only means of marketing.

Haley initially thought aliens were responsible for her experiences but that changed following years of investigation. She long acknowledged military personnel were involved in her experiences to some extent, but she fully re-evaluated circumstances after viewing select Freedom of Information Act and U.S. Patent Office documents. Haley further based her revised conclusions on hundreds of interactions with abductees and researchers, as well as having mysterious individuals enter and later abruptly vanish from her life. She is now thoroughly convinced mind control experiments are responsible for what became known as the alien abduction phenomenon.

“I really can explain every alien abduction away using human technology,” Haley said.

Commenting on what she termed “legitimate” reports of abduction, she continued, “I don't know for sure, but every case that I know very, very well – every single one of them – if I probe deeply enough, I'm going to find that there were humans here and there too. That tells me that it was a human-instigated situation. I can't think of a single case, not a single one, that I've really delved into that didn't have humans in it too, so I just don't think alien abductions are happening. I don't know, but I just don't think they are.”

Who Is Leah Haley?


The polite yet confidently direct woman who came to be embraced - for better or worse – by the UFO community said she was born in 1951 in Decatur, Alabama. According to her books, Haley earned a bachelor's degree in secondary education from the University of Alabama, a master's degree in education from the University of North Alabama and a master's degree in business administration from Mississippi State University. She told me she is a Certified Public Accountant, currently employed in the field.

I first contacted Haley via email in June of 2009 due to my interest in her reported experiences which involved apparent military personnel. Our interactions led to me interviewing her over the course of a couple days in March, 2011.

As much an artist as she is a business administrator or anything else, Haley loves to write. She enjoys many forms of art and particularly appreciates theater. While the name Leah Ann Haley will be forever joined with the UFO phenomenon, the woman came to prioritize a healthy social life and enjoying herself, as was indicated by the presence in her den of gifts from her birthday celebration. “If I put the gifts away, I'll forget to send thank you notes,” she explained with a laugh.

During a drive through downtown Pensacola, she fondly pointed out locations where bands regularly perform. She enjoys concerts, and told me about attending a Lynyrd Skynyrd gig, remarking that she of course likes the band's music due to her roots in (Sweet Home) Alabama.

Haley developed a strong faith which she attributes in part to her traumatic experiences and the stress of going public with her story. She enjoys attending casual worship services held Sunday mornings at picnic tables on Pensacola Beach. “I think that's so cool,” she said while describing the services.

Her first marriage ended as she became increasingly committed to investigating her experiences and publicly sharing her findings. Was her involvement in ufology responsible for her failed marriage? “Oh, yeah,” she responded decisively, “absolutely.” Her status as a relatively high profile, controversial figure severely strained family relations, but Haley feels she picked up the pieces as well as could be expected.

Take her or leave her, Leah Haley is willing to be scrutinized. Other high profile members of the UFO community often hide from objective evaluation, reciting their largely unchallenged rhetoric with relentless and annoying persistence. Contrastingly, Haley at least seemingly provides us with a refreshingly transparent view of the path of an experiencer of high strangeness who embarked upon a sincere journey of investigation and self-discovery. It is only natural that such a journey included evolving perspectives, changing over time, and it appears Haley happens to be secure enough to tell us when she changes her mind.

“The most important thing about my case,” she said, “is that my memories were of alien abductions, and that after spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and years and years and years of research trying to find evidence that alien abductions occurred, the only evidence I found is of human-instigated mind control.”

Circumstantial Evidence


The UFO House of Pensacola Beach serves as an eerie reminder
of the Gulf Breeze UFO craze that snowballed into a frenzy.
Haley cited circumstances such as confirmed mind control operations and Freedom of Information Act documents, substantiating details of such black budget operations, as supporting evidence for her perspectives. Suggesting the general population lacks adequate understandings of relevant issues, such as conditioned behavior and subliminal programming, Haley stated, “Doing my lectures and radio shows I met people all over the country, and most of the alien abductees just accept what's happened at face value. What they remember - to them - is what happened. Very few of us have ever questioned it to the extent that you and I obviously have.”

Haley cited U.S. Patent Office documents, demonstrating evolution of electronic technology and non-lethal weapons that correlates with the time line of reports of alien abduction. Advances in technology during the 20th century included using electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) to remotely entrain brain waves, induce altered states of consciousness and transfer an otherwise inaudible voice directly into the brain. Overexposure to EMFs was documented to cause hallucinations, nausea, short term amnesia (missing time) and reddened skin, circumstances which became staples of abductee testimonies.

Haley has claimed to have been interrogated and tortured by military personnel, but do not expect her to name alleged perpetrators. Though much speculation has circulated about Haley's alleged abusers, she is well aware she cannot prove accusations and therefore chooses to withhold public comment on identities.

She also claimed to have been approached repeatedly by mysterious people interested in her experiences, and on at least one occasion such a person apparently claimed to be acting on behalf of intelligence officials. Haley believed she confirmed the claim to a reasonable extent.

Marc Davenport


Haley met Marc Davenport at the 1993 Ozark UFO Conference. He attended her lecture and approached her afterword, finding her presentation of interest. Like Haley, Davenport was a researcher, author and speaker.

The two discovered many mutual interests. They eventually married and plunged ever deeper into the world of ufology. The duo spent extended periods of time conducting research and presenting their work through Greenleaf Publications, a corporation founded by Haley in 1992 and subsequently jointly operated by the couple. It was with Davenport's help as a researcher and support as a friend that Haley dissected the world of military intelligence and black budget research projects.

She explained, “It was like a progression with me until I finally came to the conclusion that everything with me was human-instigated. That's where the evidence pointed. I didn't find any concrete evidence - no absolute concrete evidence - of aliens, but plenty of evidence of human intervention.”

Such evidence included two events reportedly occurring the morning of June 16, 2000. Haley experienced abduction-like visions, non-ordinary states of consciousness and the sensation of hearing voices in her head. Haley was home alone during the second episode, which also included paralysis. Davenport returned unexpectedly, observing a helicopter hovering within 100 feet of their house. The helicopter soon departed, leaving Davenport to find Haley ill and disoriented inside the home.

It was therefore not only Davenport's help as a colleague, but also his experience as a direct witness, that assisted Haley in re-evaluating her experiences. Davenport continued to report on mind control and non-lethal weapons.

In 2005 Davenport was diagnosed with what Haley called an unusual form of cancer. He lost his life to what proved to be the painful and disabling illness.

Does Haley think Davenport's cancer was intentionally induced? “I will go to my grave believing so,” she said.

Carpenter Affair


Haley's experiences included missing time, disturbing body markings and a retrieved possible implant, in addition to interactions with mysterious strangers and military personnel. Her search for answers included regressive hypnosis sessions conducted by John Carpenter, a mental health counselor who served as the MUFON director of abduction research during the early 1990's. For what is in all likelihood a variety of reasons, Haley's mental imagery during the sessions included implications of aliens and emotional trauma.

Carpenter conducted some 14 regressive hypnosis sessions with Haley, encouraging her to accept alien abduction, before selling her case file. In what became known as the Carpenter Affair, Carpenter betrayed 140 clients and alleged alien abductees when he accepted $14,000 for their case files. The purchaser was Robert Bigelow, whose activities and associates never stray far from controversy. Non-lethal weapons expert and consultant to the CIA, Colonel John B. Alexander, was termed a science advisor to Bigelow at the time.

When asked how she now feels about Carpenter, Haley took a long breath and exhaled deliberately. She replied that she thinks Carpenter was “manipulated” into his actions, but that does not mean she completely absolves him of all responsibility.

Haley explained it was very distressing when the names of Carpenter's clients were briefly posted on the Internet. Literally over night, anonymity was lost, family members were outed and similar such situations befell those who sought support and were assured confidentiality by Carpenter and MUFON. Haley remains uncertain exactly who was responsible for originally posting the client names on the Internet.

Haley said most of the 140 probably never knew Carpenter sold their files to Bigelow. About a dozen of them were aware of it and convinced Haley “to join them in the lawsuit that turned out to go nowhere,” she explained with frustration.

Would she rather not discuss the Carpenter Affair? “I don't mind talking about it,” she said. “It's just that the statute of limitations expired.”

“We had a clear cut case,” she continued. “The first attorneys said, 'There are no doubts.'”

Haley explained the attorneys initially met with the plaintiffs, assuring them testimony and evidence, which they had, was all they needed. However, the first group of attorneys later turned over the case to a second group, and lines of communication declined to a non-functional mess. Haley felt certain the lawsuit fell through the cracks “because of threats.”

In a bit softer and more despondent voice, Haley concluded, “There's not anything that can be done about it. That whole group just got away with it.”

Matters of Compassion and Responsibility


The sun sets on the waterfront in downtown Pensacola
where crowds of eager skywatchers once gathered regularly.
Haley long since stopped fearing public criticism. Such criticism is inevitable when revising opinions destined to be as unpopular as in the case of suggesting there are no aliens in alien abduction. Rather than buckle to peer pressure, Haley appeared willing to draw on her experience as a relatively public figure - and her resulting thick skin - to set examples of honesty and realism by publicly acknowledging perspectives are simply bound to change as more information becomes available.

Haley considered sharing her story to be matters of compassion and responsibility. “It disturbs me greatly that there are people who are still being victimized by that system,” she commented.

Perhaps it is ultimately Haley's ability to successfully navigate the no-nonsense world of accounting that enabled her to painstakingly re-evaluate everything she thought she knew about alien abduction and her experiences. Maybe it was a genuine desire to seek truth. I really cannot say for sure, but Haley's message is certainly clear enough: A check and balance of facts versus belief systems reveals alien abduction dogma does not properly add up, particularly in her specific case.

Haley said she periodically distanced herself from ufology and her past but kept getting “drawn back in.” She explained she was most recently drawn back in by me and what she found to be my interest in black budget operations and her case. I thanked her for her willingness to interact with me, then asked what was most important to her to ultimately accomplish.

Without hesitation, Leah Haley leaned back in her chair, looked skyward and replied with animated emphasis, "I want mind control and other invasive experiments on unwitting U.S. citizens to be stopped. And I want the mind control perpetrators brought to justice!"

31 comments:

  1. Jack, I find Leah's current thoughts very interesting. Great post. I linked to it, with some comments of my own, on Orange Orb.

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  2. Thanks! Regan's comments, along with my reply, may be viewed on her Orange Orb blog at:

    http://orangeorb.blogspot.com/2011/09/leah-haley-on-abduction-mythology.html

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  3. Leah is a friend and a very brave woman...always has been with a sound mind on her shoulders. It took a lot of courage to say what needed to be said. I do hope legislature does stop illegal human experimentation...it is so widespread and people do not even see it.
    I am proud of her for her remarks in the interview...

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  4. Hello, Ms. Pollaro,

    Leah is indeed a brave woman. Thank you for commenting. Please check back now and then, as I intend to continue exploring Leah's case and related issues.

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  5. You are welcome. Thank you for your interest and comments. They are appreciated.

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  6. Great story.Spun perfectly with half truths.

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  7. If the gov were using mind control in abduction cases, would not they make sure there were no evidence of gov or military, within these scenarios. ?

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  8. Didnt she take a lie detector and fail it?....enough said. Plus, alien abductions occur worldwide not just in the US

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    1. The US isn't the only country in on this. It's everywhere. You should read Martin Cannon's The Controllers. You can find it if you google it. It's an eye opener. Part of the problem is that a lot of people have romanticized the whole alien abduction thing and don't want to let it go. I'd rather have the truth.

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    2. Same. I'd rather have the TRUTH. Hate being lied to. Except, I'm sooooo glad you have no idea how glad I am to have found it soon enough. :-)

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  9. Hi, Stacey -

    I have a lot of respect for Cannon's work. The Controllers was indeed an interesting piece.

    Perhaps you or others might also find another Cannon offering, The Numbers Game, to be a worth while read:

    http://www.anomalist.com/print/TA1.PDF

    I thought it was very interesting.

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  10. Thank you. I can't wait to read it. Do you know what ever happened to Cannon? I remember reading on Jeff Polachek's website that he totally changed his mind on what he believed and said that paper he wrote caused him a lot of trouble. So I'm figuring he said he changed his mind to get certain people off his back. Must have been pretty bad.

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    1. I could only speculate why Cannon dropped ufology like a bad habit. Like you, Stacey, I have read that he denounced his original thesis. I have also read his statements that suggest he became concerned about interacting with people he thought may have been mentally unstable. I have also read public arguments in which he was involved and that resulted from The Controllers that cause me to suspect yet another factor in Cannon leaving the genre may have been his disappointment in the lack of critical thinking. That would be along the lines of your initial statements about people romanticizing alleged alien abduction. In short, I suspect Cannon may have been disgusted at offering solid research to a demographic claiming to want answers who then dismissed his work virtually out of hand for no better reason than it did not support their preferred and premature conclusions.

      No matter what I or anyone else might choose to believe about Martin Cannon, relevant questions indeed remain. I addressed some of them in a post titled, 'John Alexander, Contradictions and Unanswered Questions' (specifically, see the section of the post titled 'Playin' Those Mind Games'):

      http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/05/john-alexander-contradictions-and.html

      For the record, I do not think the CIA is an explanation for everything that goes bump in the night. There are surely fascinating facts for science yet to establish. That stated, I am convinced your implications are entirely accurate, Stacey, in that the UFO community would largely prefer to go on believeing fantastic unsupported tales than be provided reasonable research that suggests infinitely more likely possibilities.

      Thanks for your interest in the subject matter and the blog. I appreciate it.

      Another thing just for the record: I would dearly like to hear from Martin Cannon. If you ever decide to offer some statements, Mr. Cannon, I would listen with great interest.

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    2. This is a great blog and I really appreciate the work you've put into it for people like me. It's great to finally connect with someone who thinks like I do. I believe there's something out there but I don't believe it's aliens. I feel a lot like Jacques Vallee does about these things, including the frustration of scientists not being able to do any kind of research without running into fruitcakes. And it's impossible to do anything in this field without running into the New Age crowd.

      As for Mr. Cannon, if you hear from him please let us know. I read The Numbers Game and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I never knew he was such a humorous writer. It was quite fascinating.

      Thank you!

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  11. So glad to find your site and this blog and all the links within it. I've been so busy after writing my own book (published in 2008, about MK and aliens) and then blogging about it, evolving my thinking very much like Leah, and trying to keep my site updated with my changing philosophy - that I quit reading as much of others' work than I had when I first thought I was an alien abductee. At least now I can say with some confidence I wasn't persuaded by anyone, but came to the same conclusions on my own, which is satisfying. Very.

    Thank you all for your research. I'll be checking back. (Now I have some more updating to do!)

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    1. Thanks for your comments and interest, jean777eisenhower. Best wishes to you on your path.

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  12. Very interesting. Found this at JeffPolachek.com...
    I found it weird that she and I have a lot of common interests, since she likes theatre and is artistic...wow!
    Lastly, I'd like to say I agree with Haley on the last thing she said at the end of this article. I feel the same way.
    Even though I approached the ufology subject with only a small PEEK into it.
    When I saw a UFO in November 2012, I approached this subject with a lot of questioning and curiosity. I then dove into the real "alien issue" type answers: Billy Meier, Robert Lazar, etc. So glad I found the real truth soon enough. =_=
    The first time I ever heard about an "abduction" was when my dad brought up something about Travis Walton. I was truly curious, so I went on Wikipedia to read the rest of the article. Then after reading about this and other abduction cases, I started to see the big picture!
    I'm so happy I found this article. Interesting and very informative. Thank you for posting.

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    1. For anyone who's impressed with Leah Haley's 'turn'. She, as of this writing, still is selling her pro-Alien abduction children's book on Amazon dot com and elsewhere --' Ceto's New Friends'. Haley should have disowned her own books as they're nothing more than mind-controlled disinformation (if we're to take her latest 'turn' and all it entails seriously).

      ~ Susan

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    2. I think your perspective is a bit overly simplistic, Susan. If we were to expunge from the record any and all materials and points of view of self-described experiencers who suggest they have been mentally manipulated by others, there would be little to no testimony left. I additionally think her books should remain accessible because they are significant parts of the story and provide ptential researchers with valuable insights into her evolving thoughts, relevant dates and similar information. That was certainly the case in my circumstances, as I found her books quite useful sources of material.

      If you feel some personal resentments or anger about Haley or some related circumstances, those might be other matters. I just don't find your point practical or likely to result in constructive dialog.

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    3. Jack, You're seeing this from the outside and as someone who suspects this is psy-ops mind control (milabs).

      What if you were a Dad who had a very young child that was telling you monsters were floating through the walls of his/her bedroom at night and taking him/her off to a boat in the sky.

      You've tried everything (including a comprehensive physical examination and a psychaitric work up) to help your child. You finally consider alternate explanations as you search online. You check out alien abduction books on Amazon (or other places) and come across 'Ceto's New Friends' by Leah Haley. You buy it and read it. You then tell your child the beings are not to be feared. You inculcate your child further into alien abduction as if it should be acceptable. Well, this is wrong! It's not acceptable whether you think it's psy-ops or whether you think it's some sort of beings (ET or otherwise) poking through into our reality.

      Haley needs to clarify and disown her own books making it clear they're not a helpful source for children. She could explain that people who believe in MILABs only should read it but not hurting parents with hurting children who are experiencing what seem to be CEs unless they're prepped in advance that Haley turned to the MILABs ,post writing this book. Why make excuses for this woman who's still making money off of trauma?

      ~ Susan

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    4. I'd say that's a red herring, Susan. The Leah Haley case is not about books. That poorly conceived line of reasoning appears to include thinly veiled partisan hostilities towards the woman. It distorts the factual circumstances and detracts attention from the relevant aspects of the case, which include, for examples, the Carpenter Affair, the hike across Eglin Air Force Base and the related extremely questionable conduct of the MUFON board of directors. Those are infinitely more relevant circumstances and regardless of what the explanations and motives may ultimately include.

      I think that if we suggest otherwise and criticize Haley over relatively obscure circumstances, we promote miscarriage of justice. Those harmed in such chains of events should not be shamed. It appears to me there is already way too much of that taking place in UFO circles.

      If we allow ourselves to be led into losing accurate perspective of the lack of ethics perpetrated on Haley and company by the current and former members of the MUFON BoD (and additional parties), we assist in minimizing the deep betrayal that took place. We further penalize the many who were mistreated and we enable the perpetrators to conceal the unbecoming conduct. Others are of course entitled to hold whatever opinions they choose, but those are my findings of which I am confident. I am equally confident that suggesting otherwise and disproportionately portraying relatively insignificant aspects of the saga does a disservice to both blog visitors seeking accurate information and the people who were harmed during the original chain of events.

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    5. Jack, Well, I don't think I'm using a red herring. And, I'm no apologist for MUFONs antics. I may have some vaguely partisan feelings, but who doesn't.

      Maybe if I break it down as simply as possible people might have a better understanding of what I'm objecting to and could be rectified fairly easily, on Haley's part.

      Leah once believed (and wrote about those beliefs) that she was an ET Abductee.

      Leah came to believe she was not an ET Abductee, but a subject used by a pysops program, including MILABs.

      Leah made her changing beliefs known publically.

      Leah still sold (and continues to, today) her ET Abductee era books on major booksellers online. She has not, to my knowledge, disavowed her earlier works. So, when a hurting, desperate parent sees the CETO book, he/she not knowing any better, might buy it and apply its (now disaowed) suggestions (of acceptance) to their child about the ET that comes into said child's room at night and takes him.

      All Leah would have to do is write a review to her own books (in this case CETO) to warn off unknowing parents that she does not ascribe to this belief system anymore. That way the child and parents will be safer and not under the influence of her discarded beliefs of accepting ET intrusion.

      Those books, from her previous era, could of course be read by researchers. At least they know, in advance, her beliefs changed.

      ~ Susan

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  13. The chain of events related to the Leah Haley saga included:

    - Then-member of the MUFON BoD John Carpenter conducted a year of some 14 hypnosis sessions cultivating Haley's suspicions she was a lifelong alien abductee, while former BoD members Donald Ware and Robert Reid suggested and arranged a hike in which they and Haley searched for the crash site of a spacecraft she had supposedly been aboard when downed by US military forces. All of this occurred as the result of Haley initially contacting MUFON because she had a memory of a childhood UFO sighting.

    - A fourth member of the MUFON BoD, Tom Deuley, told the 'Tampa Times Tribune' that Haley and her fantastic stories were harming serious scientific research, while completely omitting the facts that his fellow directors played starring roles in those stories, and all while at literally the same time John Carpenter was publishing material on a regular basis in the 'MUFON Journal' of what he called the reality of alien abduction.

    - In a series of poorly conceived actions that became known as the Carpenter Affair, then-MUFON director of abduction research, hypnotist and social worker John Carpenter sold copies of some 140 alleged alien abductee case files to Robert Bigelow without the knowledge or consent of the parties involved, some of whom, including Haley, were paying clients.

    - Select members of the MUFON board of directors knew of the Carpenter Affair, actively conducted and participated in its cover up, and allowed Carpenter to retain his position for years afterward and in direct contradiction to the organization's own code of ethics. Many of the 140, as well as MUFON membership as a whole, likely still do not know what took place.

    - Gary Hart conducted an investigation of the Carpenter Affair, and, when MUFON leaders made it clear they had no intentions of acting on his formal complaint, Hart submitted a complaint and report to the State of Missouri Licensing Board, which placed Carpenter's professional license on a five-year probation period.

    There are plenty of circumstances within this saga that may indeed deserve deeper scrutiny, but I would not place Haley's choices as an author in the top several dozen. I don't think that's one of your better contributions, Susan.

    Interested parties may read more about the chains of events by clicking on the 'Leah Haley case' option in the 'Labels' section located in the sidebar to the right. Thanks for your interest.

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    1. Jack wrote: "There are plenty of circumstances within this saga that may indeed deserve deeper scrutiny, but I would not place Haley's choices as an author in the top several dozen. I don't think that's one of your better contributions, Susan." - - -

      Well, that's okay by me. I'd rather be a fool sticking up for young children in this situation. Leah Haley could simply disavow her CETO children's book. It's simply the ethicial and moral action to take from my point of view. Not doing so suggests to me that making money is more important to her.

      *End of discussion on my end and thanks for allowing me to share my opinion, Jack!*

      ~ Susan

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    2. making money is more important to all of them that's why they all revel in the subject 24 hours a day, and their lives revolve around it all , it becomes a business venture to them, their livelihood depends on it mostly, take it from someone in the know, !

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    3. I find Leah Haley`s staement hilarious , as I have been abducted numerous times and many have resulted in surgical type abductions that left major scars, blood and flashbacks to the event afterward. try waking up with a large Y insicion carved into the top of your head , blood all over your head & hair , but not a single drop on my pillow or blanket covers anywhere. Or , waking up one day and noticing a 5 " long cauterized scar leading straight to your groin where a chunck of tissue the size of a marble was removed beneath my skin , that now leaves a pit in my upper inside leg next to my groin. I have scars like this on both sides of my groin that appeared over night . ""Alien Abduction doesn`t happen"" LMFAO ! Yeah , maybe not to her it doesn`t , but sure don`t speak about/ or for the rest of us, that`s ludicrous....

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  14. I think after 60+ years of supposed mind control experimentation, the program has failed miserably. What is the purpose? We know that experiments were conducted behind closed doors on individuals, but if it were carried out on the public wouldn't it be evidenced by the fact we would all vote either Republican or Democrat? Wouldn't the experiments silence the outrage that was evidenced in Ferguson? Some have suggested that the purpose of mind control is to cause the American people to be totally dependent upon the government. Again, if this has been their goal it has been a total disaster. By the way Leah, if you've been the victim of mind control then the controllers would still have you thinking your were captured by aliens; and you would not be able to spread your alleged discovery.

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    1. NO, that's a form of false reasoning I've encountered so many times. It's simplistic, childish and paints the would-be controllers as having powers they do not possess. Their processes fail more often than they succeed, I think, and it's not a clear-cut method with any guaranteed outcomes. Their victims/test subjects are left with deep damage. Most of them absolutely are not compliant automatons who spout their torturers' rhetoric uncritically. A few high profile ones may do that, but their high profiles have been carefully stage-managed to lift them above the rest and draw attention away from the human chaos left in the wake of the early programs.

      They don't all vote one way or even report what happened to them the same way. The human mind turned out to be less predictable than the would-be controllers hoped. Some techniques worked on some people to some extent, but, to the best of my knowledge, there still is no way to do fine control of human beings without attracting unwelcome attention from human rights activists. The more severe the torture tactics used, the more likely the perps will be unmasked or at least have scrutiny directed at them that hampers their activities. This is a tremendously complex field and it should never be dismissed in such a simplistic way. To do so is a profound insult to the survivors.

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    2. "We are property"

      -Charles Fort


      If corporations or the AEC etc. need data that would cause widespread alarm were it to be sought openly - milab is a much better way to get it.

      If a controversial use of resources in building a new spaceship with a radioactive power supply would cause all the wrong questions to be asked - milab is a much better way to keep it secret.

      As Martin Cannon quoted, "she'll think it was flying saucers".

      Independent confirmation has come from the multi-generational research work of the Valdez family regarding the Dulce hoax - real mutilations, real "UFO"s - but all coming from alphabet agencies.

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  15. I believe that there are both government and alien abductions but I think that 99% of them today are performed by the government. They are physically humans, yes but they're inhabited by different looking Orion alien souls. The government has: time travel technology, reality warping technology, psychotronic mind reading technology, HAARP, PRISM, and a masterful command of numerology.

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