tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post2442071781597843744..comments2024-02-26T03:03:24.947-05:00Comments on The UFO Trail: Joseph Bryan III, the FBI and CIAJack Brewerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-58153911576626139142021-03-20T15:41:16.511-04:002021-03-20T15:41:16.511-04:00Thank you for doing great research on this topic.Thank you for doing great research on this topic.Tom Whitmorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10701084877634672637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-19495671433710097662019-11-04T22:13:10.396-05:002019-11-04T22:13:10.396-05:00BTW, I requested NARA conduct a Mandatory Declassi...BTW, I requested NARA conduct a Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) of the May 31, 1949 memo from Ladd to Hoover on pages 207-212 of the 360-page file Greenewald obtained. As described in the blog post, the memo references ongoing meetings between intelligence agency representatives and academics who discuss unconventional methods of warfare involving research subjects.<br /><br />NARA responded favorably to the MDR request and the further declassified memo, obtained today, Nov. 4, may be viewed here:<br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MeOxLwRaYpzVbAdti8gkVNRdModI5k6b/viewJack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-38359388363949984912019-11-04T22:02:43.702-05:002019-11-04T22:02:43.702-05:00Thanks for your comments and encouragement, everyb...Thanks for your comments and encouragement, everybody. I appreciate your interest.<br /><br />Mousemoon, here's how it went: FBI instructed me to seek two files from NARA. One NARA said FBI still has, the other it said was 8500 pages. I then discovered John Greenewald had received 360 of the 8500 pages in 2005. The file primarily pertains to bacteriological warfare. In an ensuing exchange with NARA, and after I asked if it could determine how much of the file actually pertained to the subject of my request, Joseph Bryan III, NARA responded that two pages of the 8500 fit that description. NARA subsequently provided the two, a 1953 FBI memo linked above, at no cost.Jack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-81864103517235620152019-11-04T21:32:47.055-05:002019-11-04T21:32:47.055-05:00These two articles on Col. Byran have been a real ...These two articles on Col. Byran have been a real treat of information and like you say, it opens a well of interests for further research.<br />I’m wondering why you were only offered 2 pages and not the 350 Greenewald received - what was his cost ?<br />Also, it might be interesting to test FOIA by requesting files that have been redacted from the 50/60s for a ‘history’ of what comes up now …<br /><br />It’s easy to understand folks jumping on the ‘conspiracy band wagon’ when they learn the ‘background’ of some board members, but I cannot imagine Maj Keyhoe or Capt Ruppelt ( and even Adm. Hillenkoetter with nothing known about him but his friendship with Keyhoe) to in any way allow it’s use other than seeking the reality of the UFO .<br /><br />I don’t quite understand the argument either in light of the Robertson panel ?<br />They ( both military and ‘intelligence’ ) were afraid more of another Orson Wells ‘Invasion’, and actually influenced a major article in Saturday Evening Post that totally ridiculed the idea of ‘alien spaceships’.<br /><br />And certainly Col Byran would be aware of this ‘influence’ and at the same time have knowledge that ’something unknown’ really was going on which puts him in the same bag with my heroes against any pre conceived use of the ‘subject/NICAP’ for ‘psychops/whatever’.<br /><br />note<br />Sidney Shallet's (with ATIC ) article in The Saturday Evening Post, two parts April 30 and May 7, 1949. "What You Can Believe About Flying Saucers" <br /><br />when Ruppelt is involved at ATIC<br />Robert Ginna April 4, 1952. Life magazine : "Have We Visitors From Space?"<br /><br />July 1952 ‘UFOs over DC’ - Gen. says ‘nothing but a’heat wave’.<br /><br />Robertson Panel - January, 1953<br /><br />and remember the “Estimate of the Situation” = Top Secret YES!<br /><br />It’s like Democrats and Republicans everywhere !mouseonmoon mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920006114625021133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-83107675352404655472019-11-04T15:55:14.699-05:002019-11-04T15:55:14.699-05:00My take:
I don't believe the initial goal of ...My take:<br /><br />I don't believe the initial goal of the whole flying saucer/UFO circus was to convince the American public of alien spacecraft flying through our skies. The public was not the target of these intelligence operations. Instead, that belief in alien UFOs was a side effect of classified/intelligence activities aimed overseas.<br /><br />Because the public's belief proved useful over the ensuing decades, it has been shaped and manipulated to serve a wide variety of classified purposes.<br /><br />There are no alien spacecraft and there never have been. It's just a purposefully created myth that's kept on a back burner so that it can be served up again when it's needed.purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-26796638453862639322019-11-03T23:09:49.028-05:002019-11-03T23:09:49.028-05:00purrlgurrl, great questions. And, it's not on...purrlgurrl, great questions. And, it's not only the background of the witnesses that should be checked. Sometimes the researchers themselves can be just as suspect even if their intentions are good. Data will be filtered and omitted depending upon the argument they are presenting and/or the researcher may not even be aware of said data. It's just human nature, and it happens in academia all the time (peer review anyone lol). <br /><br />I would just add that, while I don't know very much about NICAP, what I have learned has led me to reasonably conclude it did not start out as psyops tool. The organization was founded by T. Townsend Brown who founded it because he felt someone stole his flying disk idea. He was ousted, and when Keyhoe took over; Keyhoe personally asked Hillenkoetter to join the board because they had been roommates together as youths and Keyhoe trusted Hillenkoetter (we can draw our own conclusions on this decision). <br /><br />After this, the waters become murky. However, the CIA certainly would not have needed any influence on the organization if the goal was just to try and convince people of alien spacecraft. Keyhoe was (loudly) advocating that himself right from the beginning.Adam S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11934830683869908953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-60703030995654786582019-11-03T13:40:33.475-05:002019-11-03T13:40:33.475-05:00Great work... Today's propaganda creates power...Great work... Today's propaganda creates powerful delusions that is almost impossible to resist to the target demographic.<br />The seed was planted decades ago and it's starting to grow. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01185481090945624155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-63300887202168020732019-11-02T05:03:05.249-04:002019-11-02T05:03:05.249-04:00Just random thoughts/rhetorical questions as I rea...Just random thoughts/rhetorical questions as I read the piece. <br /><br />NICAP might have been created as a psyops tool. However, if it were we don't have information yet to know its target. That it helped influence Americans to believe that alien spacecraft are flying through our skies might well not have been its mission, but rather an unintended consequence of its operations.<br /><br />A myth (e.g., alien UFOS) developed for a specific purpose might show itself to be useful for other situations as they arise over time. Therefore, the myth is "goosed" regularly to keep it alive and maintain its usefulness (TTSA being the latest effort to “goose” the UFO myth?)<br /><br />If the CIA and FBI regularly use the media, who's to say some or even many of the sightings reported in the media, as well as assertions about the witnesses and their character, aren't CIA or FBI plants? Could the steady drip, drip, drip over the years of the one- or two-paragraph UFO stories with no follow up be part of psyops activities?<br /><br />I have nagging doubts about taking any UFO report at face value without doing some minimal checking on the background of the witness. How do we know they are who they claim to be? Do UFO “researchers” even look at standard IDs?<br /><br />One’s stated profession doesn’t in any way ensure one’s credibility in the context of a UFO report. If the intelligence community can enlist the media to help advance its purposes, why wouldn’t it also enlist law enforcement and members of the military as well? <br /><br />Okay, I’m done spinning my wheels. Enjoyed the piece. Keep up the great work.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-32308030504329200472019-11-01T14:17:02.145-04:002019-11-01T14:17:02.145-04:00As I stated in a previous post, I would encourage ...As I stated in a previous post, I would encourage someone to apply for a research stipend/grant to help cover the FOIA fees. There is a wealth of information there that would be of interest to any Cold War historian. <br /><br />It also might be worth noting that the CIA and FBI played roles in the Counter Culture movement of the 60s and the Satanist Cult scare of the 80s. It's also pretty conclusive that LSD came attention to the American public directly through CIA funded experiments in San Francisco.<br /><br />Oddly enough, and for whatever reason, UFOs remain an enigma even in this framework. Many interesting intelligence overtones, and a wealth of psychological and sociological "explanations"; yet they are still nowhere as cut and dry as other heinous operations of the past.<br /><br />Adam S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11934830683869908953noreply@blogger.com