tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post629444710431232175..comments2024-02-26T03:03:24.947-05:00Comments on The UFO Trail: Standing Eight Count for the MJ-12Jack Brewerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-43087470159063318332014-12-09T12:34:59.294-05:002014-12-09T12:34:59.294-05:00Thanks for your comments, HJPrice. Putting Mr. Fri...Thanks for your comments, HJPrice. Putting Mr. Friedman's activities aside for a moment, I agree with your implications that ufology and its researchers can't (with integrity, anyway) play the 'we want mainstream acceptance' card only when it suits their agendas. I'll expand a bit on that, please.<br /><br />Ufologists often operate as hobby researchers on shoestring budgets. In so doing, there seems to be an unwritten rule to not ask about funding sources, various opinions of the tough questions and even such critical factors as how certain people, such as multiple witnesses and investigators, initially came to know one another. It often seems to be considered rude or prying to pose such questions and present such issues for consideration, relevant as they may potentially prove to be.<br /><br />In contrast, it is standard practice within the professional research community to clarify amounts of funding, sources, when funds were received and what was expected in return for those funds. Also, reports are presented that clearly document chains of custody of evidence, contact with witnesses and similar details.<br /><br />So what I'm getting at here is that ufologists tend to want to blame academia for unjustly rejecting their work, when the fact of the matter is the work is often extremely substandard. It also frequently fails to even remotely answer the most basic and relevant of questions. Then, ufology seems to be collectively afraid to ask those questions on its own, all while questionably claiming to want more widespread acceptance.Jack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-436348598385486882014-12-06T17:04:36.763-05:002014-12-06T17:04:36.763-05:00I myself have found it quite suspicious for ... qu...I myself have found it quite suspicious for ... quite a while now that Stan has been pushing the ETH Roswell thing for ... how long now? ... regardless of the possible other angles ie unconventional post-war Nazi aircraft, or some other more down to earth reason.<br /><br />I've had a quick look at the MJ-12 documents, and, of course, they smell ... but there is nothing in there that even remotely speaks to an "alien craft" regardless of what they actually say. I believe that Dr Joseph P. Farrell has come to the same conclusion.<br /><br />Therefore, one has to look at Stan, and his own (possible) agenda(s) for harping on the same point ie "Cosmic Watergate"(tm, Stan) for so long.<br /><br />One also has to question why did a guy who had a terrific career (presumably, well paid) working on exotic propulsion technology ie nuclear engines etc ... leave to work solely on the whole UFO thing. <br /><br />May be these questions have been answered already, I don't know.<br /><br />It is due time to start questioning the motives of people like Stan. It should have been done a long time ago, in my opinion. I feel a lot of answers why the UFO field has gone nowhere in particular are found within.HJPricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-20475291446622819682014-12-03T11:02:28.679-05:002014-12-03T11:02:28.679-05:00Anon,
I don't speak for Knocker, but I inter...Anon, <br /><br />I don't speak for Knocker, but I interpret they were expressing an interpretation that Friedman has a vested interest in perpetuating public interest and belief in an alien presence. Some members of the UFO community feel that the extraterrestrial hypothesis (as an explanation for UFOs) is promoted with extreme bias and lack of supporting evidence by those who stand to capitalize on its popularity.Jack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-23064382531671733552014-12-02T21:38:20.390-05:002014-12-02T21:38:20.390-05:00What does Knocker mean when he says Stanton Friedm...What does Knocker mean when he says Stanton Friedman's "career depends on an alien agenda"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-80830043192954656882014-11-13T21:27:40.558-05:002014-11-13T21:27:40.558-05:00Thanks, Brian! Your support is appreciated very mu...Thanks, Brian! Your support is appreciated very much.<br /><br />Very interesting events you describe. Thanks for sharing them. It might lead one to wonder how many 'packages' have been received over the years and abruptly tossed in a closet!Jack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-74428655148126170832014-11-13T10:10:13.919-05:002014-11-13T10:10:13.919-05:00Real interesting stuff, good reading well apprecia...Real interesting stuff, good reading well appreciated. Among micro-angles of MJ-12, one my attention is drawn to more over time - is a particularly tactic, as targeted and staged. <br /><br />I refer to the Mysterious Package Ploy, as I might call it. The Package, in this ploy, contains Tantalizing Goods - like xeroxed official documents - of intense interest to a particular 'independent' i.e. self-tasked researcher, apparently chosen as recipient (or - mark?) by parties unknown. <br /><br />The vaunted MJ12 documents must be the first instance I read about of this type operation. But, seemed the identical pattern repeated - with the 'Guardian' case (rolls eyeballs). Probably others I could think of. Nothing succeeds like success as they say. <br /><br />To see what unfolds, from such beginnings, is especially intriguing. One recalls Vallee's observations about some of the skullduggery. Especially since the effect or fallout might one call it, logically, could relate to intent, i.e. Motive, on the part of whoever's sending that stuff, in these capers. I assume they know, or figure, it will get a big reception, from whoever they've picked out, tagged "It."<br /><br />The same ploy may be coming into application, in another 'special interest community' as of recent years, by signs. I recently read of an audio recording purportedly decades old, sent to a writer-reporter of pop psychedelia. <br /><br />According to his account, voices on the tape divulge 'shocking implications' etc, about an unsolved, magic mushroom related murder from the late 1970s. The recipient author's story, as told - recounts written story that accompanied the tape. He reports that it purports to identify parties speaking on the tape, and asserts the anonymous writer has expertise in voice analysis - and thus is able to 'vouch' for the 'authenticity' etc. of the recording, and assess veracity etc. It seems a layer cake, or whole stratigraphy of claim to back up claim to back up claim. Like turtles all the way down, as it were.<br /><br />It just seems real interesting, what goes on, how its done - as relates. The more examples of capers involving such art and craft, the more I feel unsure what goes on. (PS, the 'magic mushroom murder' example, of what appears suspiciously like an exercise in this type operation - I caught scent of it from an article in Harpers a few years ago, 'Blood Spore' by H. Morris, 'recipient' or target of mailed package. <br /><br />One thing that comes through, is an inescapable consideration. To me it seems a 'target' could give benefit of the doubt to such 'goods' rec'd. Or less excitedly more dubiously, they could withhold benefit of the doubt on suspicion - perhaps not willing to be fooled, not wanting to be anybody's patsy (if that's what's going on, cat and mouse). But could they do both? I don't see how.<br /><br />Keep up the good work Jack, I enjoy your blog - real interesting stuff.<br /><br /> Brian Akershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09350950418007260040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-12303176552657668342014-11-10T22:10:40.145-05:002014-11-10T22:10:40.145-05:00Copies of documents obtained by Alejandro Rojas fr...Copies of documents obtained by Alejandro Rojas from the USAF and described in the video may be viewed at:<br /><br />http://alejandrotrojas.com/files/DOTY-FOIA-ATR.pdf<br /><br />Kevin Randle provided Frank Warren copies of the documents discovered by Tony Bragalia and Randle that reference Majestic and deconstruct the MJ-12 meme. Warren published the docs along with Randle's post at:<br /><br />http://www.theufochronicles.com/2014/11/majestic-found.html <br /><br />Kevin Randle has now published another blog post in which he reports that Ryan Wood had the Majestic docs under discussion already published for quite some time at his site, majesticdocuments.com. Wood finds them less consequential than Randle, but I interpret a primary point of Randle's post to be to acknowledge Wood had found the docs before Bragalia. Randle's post:<br /><br />http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2014/11/ryan-wood-and-majestic-documents.htmlJack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-18232841636720767292014-11-10T11:18:50.256-05:002014-11-10T11:18:50.256-05:00It's a wonder why anyone would trust former go...It's a wonder why anyone would trust former government employees such as Alexander and many other former intelligencia when they are forever tasked with protecting national security. I can imagine it's being a lofty position in their eyes, some of them, but those guys are the last people I would rely on. <br /><br />I think Stanton Friedman did posit "some" of the MJ12 documents were real. I never bothered to look into his claims because his career depends on an alien agenda.Knockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784209368952045856noreply@blogger.com