tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post4537868456089965097..comments2024-02-26T03:03:24.947-05:00Comments on The UFO Trail: Psy Ops and Mind Control: Then, Now and the UFO CommunityJack Brewerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-45961398352479633962014-12-24T23:15:44.321-05:002014-12-24T23:15:44.321-05:00If the "Shadow Government" goes nuts, ho...If the "Shadow Government" goes nuts, how will we know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-51042870727178645602014-08-19T20:53:38.951-04:002014-08-19T20:53:38.951-04:00"And that fact is that should also be what be...<i>"And that fact is that should also be what be more thoroughly considered and explored as part of this process of scientific and empirical investigation."</i><br /><br />That <i>should</i> have said: "And that fact is <b>what</b> should also be more thoroughly considered and explored..."<br /><br />I'd add that, to be completely objective, I don't know for a "fact" if any UFO incidents reported, or my own, necessarily connote the presence of any advanced non-human intelligence. That's speculation, or potential hypothesis, only. But, it should also not be ruled out, as some debunkers or pseudo-skeptics do, to remain objective. It is a distinct possibility, given all the data available. <br /><br />I guess, to paraphrase what Carrion suggested in one of your earlier posts, one should not just seek the "signal within the noise," but also observe and consider the nature and origins of the noise possibly obscuring the signal(s).<br /><br />Or, that one who takes this subject seriously must pay attention to both the wheat <i>and</i> the chaff, and explore both the signal <b>and</b> the noise. <br /><br />The real difficulty, of course, is sometimes being able to clearly distinguish one from the other. I'm often reminded of Angleton's infamous phrase, "a wilderness of mirrors." 8^}Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-1520298743175541062014-08-19T19:21:16.799-04:002014-08-19T19:21:16.799-04:00Very good post, Jack. Necessary, even.
The issue ...Very good post, Jack. Necessary, even.<br /><br />The issue of military and civilian intelligence agencies being involved at times in ufological matters is rife with and ripe for potential investigation and very overdue, IMHO. I'd like to see that post about John G. Fuller's role in the Hill abduction, and Fuller's other connections and interests in the things you mentioned, like MK Ultra and the Pont-Saint-Esprit debacle. Perhaps you and Nick Redfern could co-author a cross-posted blog about that at some point. <br /><br />Keep up the good work -- although you don't get nearly as much feedback in comments as the quality of your work here deserves, don't be discouraged. You're talking about things many within "ufology" don't really want to hear or know, due to their preconceived notions about the standard-issue ETH and related forms of confirmation bias, unfortunately. Or so it would seem. <br /><br />This is important stuff, and I really do appreciate your manner of "peeling back the layers of the onion" and objective perspective in trying to better discern the roots of the mythos of much of the UFO phenomenon, as it is all too often these days covered in the detritus of unfounded belief and emotion, and reexamining cases and going to original source materials, or real investigation, is required to uncover to whatever extent is possible what the truth might be. <br /><br />We need more "canaries in the coal mine" of "ufology" to chirp up when the deadly gasses of distortion, manipulation, and egocentric myth creation build up to the point of suffocating all reason and reality in this difficult field of endeavor. <br /><br />While I consider myself an honest, objective skeptic of sorts, or really a kind of "ufo agnostic," even after having been involved in a multiple-witness close encounter of some almost inexplicable kind, I do know that aspects of the UFO phenomenon are real, and that's not a belief, and that further some of those aspects do point to at least the possibility, or potential, of involving some form or forms of advanced non-human intelligence perhaps being involved in relatively rare cases. And that fact is that should also be what be more thoroughly considered and explored as part of this process of scientific and empirical investigation. We need to be better able to separate the "wheat from the chaff" in order to find the signal within the noise, as it were. Good luck, and keep on doing what you can to help out in that process.Steve Sawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716314515943305158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-43595200708291509212014-08-10T20:19:03.085-04:002014-08-10T20:19:03.085-04:00Thanks, Harvey! I very much appreciate your intere...Thanks, Harvey! I very much appreciate your interest and encouragement. Thank you.<br /><br />I agree there are many aspects of the Hill case that deserve much more attention. I think that is particularly the case if the UFO community is going to entertain extraordinary explanations such as literal doctors from the stars.<br /><br />I think a relevant point is that the UFO community largely averts from the subject matter. That is of course the case due to such reasons as the ETH is a preferred explanation for reports of high strangeness, thus those who desire to remain in public favor often prefer to not make waves. Another reason is that those who support the ETH are better ticket draws to conferences, etc.<br /><br />Ultimately, what this tells us is that ufology is not taken seriously - at least in part - because it does not take itself seriously. As long as its investigators claim conclusions while blatantly ignoring evidence contained and circumstances implied in valuable resources such as FOIA docs, UFO-researchers will fail to be given any respect or credibility among other professional researchers. Rightly so, a reasonable argument could be made. Jack Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778028283888927074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-67140242111405382832014-08-10T06:13:54.231-04:002014-08-10T06:13:54.231-04:00ps just saw an interview with Robert Hastings from...ps just saw an interview with Robert Hastings from 2013, and he said that he didn't think there was any MK-Ultra kind of shenanigans going on in the UFO field. Hmm ... but you (ie Hastings) think there really ARE aliens coming to our planet(!) even though you are a stickler for evidence and documentation and you haven't got a shred of evidence for this conjecture. Just another one of those strange little things, maybe(??) There's none stranger than folk. Thought I might mention it, anyhow. Best wishes HP.HPricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8297935984616304783.post-43219188920282185642014-08-10T06:13:26.226-04:002014-08-10T06:13:26.226-04:00What? No comments?? Come on people. this is fascin...What? No comments?? Come on people. this is fascinating, important stuff!! Oh well, can't say people weren't warned ...<br /><br />Anyway, fascinating post, Jack. I have thought for a number of years that there is a definite cross-over between the worlds of politics, "conspiracy", mind-control, ufos ... maybe from a distance, they're all part of some over arching ... program. I don't really know but it does look like that some very real connections between all of these disparate fields, can indeed be made. Nothing is totally in a vacuum.<br /><br />But as you mention Nick Redfern as saying, I have thought for quite a while that the Betty and Barney Hill case was possibly some sort of psychological operations incident like he has said.<br /><br />[Disclaimer: I have not read any of the Hill literature, as of yet, but I do intend at some point to start a blog, and comment on classic UFO literature. "The Interrupted Journey" etc will probably be part of it ... I just know what I have seen on documentaries about the case, and what people have said about it on blogs and forums, podcasts etc ...]<br /><br />I have come to understand, that the people (the amorphous "powers that be") who are behind these kind of events (like the 9/11 and the JFK assassination) do these sort of things for a number of reasons. And I'm starting to think that the Hill case is nothing different.<br /><br />As I say, I think the Hill case may have covered a number of areas, and these are just a few quick thoughts as to what they may have been:<br /><br />1. They were a mixed race couple. It was the early 1960s. They were a very uncommon sight. They would have made a very interesting case for the eugenicists and people interested in racial profiling etc.<br /><br />2. They were part of the (left wing) civil rights movement. Again quite handy, if you were right wing, and wanted to co-opt the movement. What a great way to make people think different of "them socialists" if a well-known couple in the movement suddenly went all ... funny.<br /><br />3. "They" needed to instill fear in the population. Fear is always a good way of controlling the masses. And a so-called "alien abduction" would be a good place for people living in the "space-age" to get scared over.<br /><br />4. Maybe having a space-craft land and abduct some people would give them Ruskies something to think about too(??) This was a new thing, and as far as anyone knows, it hadn't happened before the Hills were "taken". Maybe the Soviets would even be a little bit jealous about Americans being abducted. Americans are better for study them them damned Ruskies ...<br /><br />5. Maybe the "aliens" were friendly and concerned for our safety. Again nice place to start a new religion. The contactee movement had pretty much fizzled out by then, and nothing had really changed that much in the greater populace. Better do something new to make people sit up and really notice.<br /><br />6. Maybe the "aliens" weren't so friendly, after all. Better militarise space, guys! The people will be behind you.<br /><br />Maybe someone could come up with more on this, and this is a pretty rushed post (as all my posts really are :D). But it would be a great event for a number of reasons. And it may be that all these ideas I have rattled off the top of my skull are all interlinked in a number of ways, anyway.<br /><br />Sometimes these things need a bit of time before you can start joining the dots in the right way. Maybe we will finally figure out what went happened a hundred years after the event. Maybe never at all(?). I think the internet, though, has been something that the powers that be had not counted on, and it may speed up our insights into such events, a tad.<br /><br />Anyway, fascinating stuff Jack. I am going to try to make an attempt to go through all your posts. What I have seen so far, I think, is really good stuff that more people should be noticing and researching for themselves ... oooh look a shiny thing ... wanders off to look at Dr Greer's shiny biceps ...<br /><br />Best wishes<br /><br />Harvey P.HPricenoreply@blogger.com